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Post by Alex on May 2, 2015 18:29:46 GMT
Okay. Well today we've had two assaults. Both went in the defenders' favour.
A LOT of people have been saying that the defenders are too overpowered. This is true. I do not believe it's because of the diamond armour though. I think it is due to respawns. So here is my idea: Respawns
"Once defenders are killed they may not regear and participate anymore in the Assault."
This was originally in the rules but got taken out due to complaints. I suggest that this rule be reinstated. Take the first assault for example. Quadrant I had killed everyone on Quadrant II. The problem was that Quadrant II respawned whilst PvP was still going on, picked up the items and was still attacking. This made Quadrant I lose. This is technically just infinite respawning and does not seem fair for the attackers. I'm not trying to blame anyone for this, I just think that this rule should be in place again.
Another suggestion is to have a 'cooldown' period. This would mean that if the attacking Quadrant kills a defending Quadrant member, they have to wait and not aid in PvP, collecting items, distracting etc. for a time period between one minute to five minutes. This would give the attacking Quadrant a chance to actually finish PvP, recover health and organise themselves without being interrupted by a constant stream of respawned players attacking with dropped items, fists etc.
Items
I do not think that the items should be changed. The diamond armour that the defending Quadrant has is fairly overpowered, but that just makes the assaulting vary more, rather than just attacking straight on. I think enchanting is the problem. Which leads to...
Enchantments
I think that the enchantments should be managed and categorised into 'offensive' and 'defensive' enchantments. This would give both the offensive and defensive teams different types of enchantments to use whilst hopefully maintaining balance PvP-wise.
For example:
| Enchantment | Attacking Quadrant | Defending Quadrant | | Protection | No | Yes | | Fire Protection | Yes | Yes | | Feather Falling | Yes | Yes | | Blast Protection | Yes | Yes | | Projectile Protection | No | Yes | | Thorns | No | Yes | | Sharpness | Yes | No | | Knockback | No | Yes | | Fire Aspect | Yes | No | | Power | Yes | No | | Punch | No | Yes | | Flame | Yes | No | | Infinity | No? | Yes |
Please state your opinion on these ideas and any others you can think of. Take into account this is nothing but a suggestion and nothing said here is official unless it is in the official Quadrant thread.
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Post by ladynarwhal on May 2, 2015 18:40:38 GMT
I disagree with your enchantment choices because a sharp V iron sword does hella more damage than a no-sharpness diamond sword.
edit: I do agree there should be a cooldown on respawns tho.
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Post by Sandionus on May 2, 2015 18:42:17 GMT
I like the ideea that defenders need to be out of action for a few minutes after they die, that is one of the main problems with assaults (in my opinion)
I don't think that assaulters should not be allowed to have protection on their armor. Let's not forget attackers have iron armor, which is weak in comparison to diamond armor. Yes, sharpness and power can deal a massive amount of damage, but a simple diamond sword can hurt.
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Post by Alex on May 2, 2015 18:43:24 GMT
The choices right now don't really matter. Do you guys think enchantments should be managed though?
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Post by ladynarwhal on May 2, 2015 18:48:11 GMT
The choices right now don't really matter. Do you guys think enchantments should be managed though? Considering how some rules of assaults were forgotten in the bloodshed today, I feel like managing them is just going to be a lot of hassle and limit people who know the rules whereas those who forget or are confused are at an advantage. It's just too much micromanaging to control all of the enchants in my honest opinion. |
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Post by Alex on May 2, 2015 18:52:49 GMT
That's what I thought. I think that the respawning is the major problem.
Also what rules were broken? I know that Jadix broke one by killing me at the DMZ AKA Spawn. But apart from that?
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Post by boefis on May 2, 2015 18:58:35 GMT
Well, To be honest I think the main question has already been answered here.
Chris can close this forum now if he wants to, kind of unnecessary.
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Post by ladynarwhal on May 2, 2015 19:00:02 GMT
That's what I thought. I think that the respawning is the major problem. Also what rules were broken? I know that Jadix broke one by killing me at the DMZ AKA Spawn. But apart from that? Just that. And Dray had some confusion about whether people were allowed to attack again once they died one time. |
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Post by Alex on May 2, 2015 19:01:23 GMT
Well, To be honest I think the main question has already been answered here. Chris can close this forum now if he wants to, kind of unnecessary. Not really. This is a suggestion and it's up for discussion. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2015 19:03:42 GMT
If we used mods then it could be managed, on Vanilla it is way too much. All enchants are go in my book. If you go assaulting and don't prepare then it's kind of your own fault at that point. Assaulters need to use strategy and not just beef, that is why they are at a disadvantage.
As Alex said, in my original post I stated that defenders wouldn't be allowed to respawn and participate in pvp once they have been killed, but that was met with complaints so I removed that rule and now my madness is being revealed as brilliance. MWAHAHAHAHAHA *evil doctor laugh*
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Post by mortenu on May 2, 2015 19:11:55 GMT
MY OPINIONEDIT: I forgot to say, that due to defenders advantage they are able to get the first hits more easy than the attackers. If they have flame.... R.I.P. EDIT: Also, I agree on having a cooldown on defenders if they die.  That is my opinion regarding enchants. I think we should all be able to have diamond armor. The defending quadrant has a a HUGE advantage over the attacking quadrant. They know the area well, they have defensive advantages such as walls and traps. If they live on a hill they can pour water down on you. All of this while you are affected of slowness.(I know swiftness potions exist, but still) Diamond armor even though hit by Sharpness V only takes 0,5 to 1,5 hearts on full diamond protection IV armor.  This means you still need to hit people 7-12 times to kill them. Which is a lot. Of course you could shoot them with an arrow first, which is about the same amount of damage.  So... You have to get around 10 hits in, in total, without your opponent regenerating any health. This is not easy for any of the parts. IT'S AN EQUAL FIGHT! Putting in some pictures of what damage the weapons do to iron armor with protection IV:   This meaning that the attackers deal about 3 times more damage, they know the area, and they are faster if you dont include potions. Also, they know the area well, they have cover advantage and probably some sort of "traps"(defensive mechanisms). I might have let something out. 
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Post by Alex on May 2, 2015 19:26:07 GMT
So I guess people want a respawn cooldown?
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Post by Kentela on May 3, 2015 1:42:57 GMT
Also, we need to fix the timer, since I believe it had been past the 30 minutes when you guys came back for a 2nd go.
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Post by Jadix on May 3, 2015 3:47:41 GMT
I think that respawns should have a cooldown, even though that didn't even come up in our assault The main thing I think needs balancing is the armor. I feel like if both teams are allowed to use Diamond armor then the defending team would still have the advantage of knowing the area and the negative effects against the attackers. No Diamond is a little unfair for the attackers, especially if defenders can respawn. I don't think enchants could/need to be controlled, although its a good idea in theory. Basically right now the only possible advantages of attackers is numbers, and that may not actually happen. Whereas the defenders have Diamond armor, knowledge of the area, negative affects against their opponents, and also the possibility of numbers. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 8:48:54 GMT
Also, we need to fix the timer, since I believe it had been past the 30 minutes when you guys came back for a 2nd go. Well, 16000 is 30 minutes I believe. I currently added a note to the timer saying that it should be finished at 24000. I was using the wrong math. Minecraft ticks are 1/20 every second but Redstone ticks are 1/10 every second. I was going off the Minecraft ticks but we're using redstone timers so my math was actually doubling ticks. 32000 was actually closer to an hour, and lag over time will help the time slip a bit too, so it's an approximation. As I said, 24000 is the new number, which is ~45 minutes. |
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